Post by navyresgirl on Nov 10, 2010 13:31:52 GMT -5
9.5. I missed the poignancy of Flesh and Blood and felt that Tony's mentor and his co-workers were getting way too much pleasure from his distress.
Did love: Tony and Tim pulling rank on Ziva over that dumpster. "But we do" had me grinning ear to ear.
Tony telling Senior that he and Ziva are just co-workers. I know there's but a snowball's chance in you know where but I really do want it to stay just this.
Tim supporting Tony when the rest didn't.
Now, is it OK to really like an episode by really dislike the behavior of the characters? I have never been as disappointed -disillusioned with Gibbs concerning his relationship with Tony, until now. He simply blew off his Senior Field Agent's feelings, he may have well just come out and said: "I don't care how you feel about this". Even Gibbs' visit with TDSenior was dismissive of Tony's feelings about his father when he talked about game playing. From what we found out in F&B Tony and his father hadn't even talked to one another in years. It's not like Gibbs had a great relationship with his own father and though it's doing better it's not totally mended. For me the estrangement between Leroy and Jack was for a quite petty reason - Jack bringing a date to Shannon and Kelly's funeral. Tony Junior and Tony Senior's relationship was broken over a father shipping his son off to a boarding school and cutting him off emotionally. What 8 year old has the resources to deal with something like that?
I was furious with both Ziva and Abby - they're obviously are charmed by Senior and for some reason can't see why Tony is very wary of opening himself up to get hurt again. Ziva wants Tony to "fix" things with his dad after years of emotional abandonment but I have a feeling she'd have a few choice words for him if Tony tried to get her to repair the relationship with her own father. Abby (normally adore her) want everyone to "live happily ever after" but seems to have no clue just how hurt Tony was as a child. OK, so he's an adult now but that doesn't change past hurts. It seems to me that Abby had a very close relationship with her own dad and can't picture other parents and children (no matter what their ages) not being as close as she was with her father.
Post by Silverfox21 on Nov 10, 2010 15:51:23 GMT -5
I give this episode a 9. I still can't warm up to Dinozzo Snr. He tries to charm his way through life. Gibbs seem at times exasperated with him and Tony embarrassed. Loved the part where Gibbs straightens Ducky's bow tie at the crime scene when Ducky rambling on with one of his stories.
I have never been as disappointed -disillusioned with Gibbs concerning his relationship with Tony, until now. He simply blew off his Senior Field Agent's feelings ... It's not like Gibbs had a great relationship with his own father and though it's doing better it's not totally mended. For me the estrangement between Leroy and Jack was for a quite petty reason - Jack bringing a date to Shannon and Kelly's funeral. Tony Junior and Tony Senior's relationship was broken over a father shipping his son off to a boarding school and cutting him off emotionally. What 8 year old has the resources to deal with something like that?
I was furious with both Ziva and Abby - they're obviously are charmed by Senior and for some reason can't see why Tony is very wary of opening himself up to get hurt again...
See, I thought it was more realistic the way they filed it (although, admittedly, I work with some real eccentrics and hang with other eccentrics, but so are these characters) and I had no problem believing the reactions you describe, even -- and maybe especially -- Gibbs' reaction to Jack bringing a date, if he'd never gotten over his parents' splitting up, especially to something so incredibly heart-wrenching as this double funeral could have been. Besides, the parent-child thing can be huge over small stuff too -- may not be rational, but for some families/couples/relationships, when emotions are involved, you might as well give up any hope of rationality!
We do see a lot more of the reactions it seems you would have preferred in fanfic, and yeah, it would have been nice to have more support for Tony, but after all, this is a workplace show -- this is business, and a pretty gritty, seat of your pants kind of work -- law enforcement agencies don't have too many "sensitive" types and even if it was rough on Tony, it seemed more realistic this way.
I guess it's silly to carp on its being realistic; this show has some wildly unrealistic stuff each week -- but I guess I can't fault them for when they move closer to real life.
I really enjoyed this episode, Tony dealt with his father really well. He was nervous that his dad would embarrass him, and at the end when they sat down to talk was moving, whether or not anything will ever happen remains to be seen. Every thing else about the episode was excellent!
I really liked this episode.... there was a lot of humor, for example when McGee tells Tony he just got a glimpse at his newest step-mom, but there also were a lot of feelings, especially in the final scene. I don't really like Sr.'s attitude but the final scene proved that it seems to be a mask, which is really the same thing that Tony does, so claps for the writers for picking this up. After all in flesh&blood Abby guessed that Tony didn't have a mother but was cloned instead... Speaking of Tony's mom: after all these seasons of guessing it's finally clear that she's dead. That makes the relationship between Jr. and Sr. even more twisted but I think it gives them something they share... Tiva didn't come too short either. All in all a very great tony-centric episode, which gets a 9.5 from my side (but as we know there's probably going to be a more tony-centric epi after winterbreak *impatiently waiting*)
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