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Post by Batwoman on Dec 5, 2005 14:50:29 GMT -5
Gibbs slap is something that isn't common place. That's one that makes you wonder. the stare is something anyone would say, which is more common.
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Post by FatCat on Dec 6, 2005 2:38:49 GMT -5
I finally got the chance to see the whole episode. I really loved it. It's not any less than 'Frame Up' but there's still something I wanna say. Sadly, what McGee has to go through in this episode, I guess and believe is something he *must* go through, say, being a field agent. I hope that, even this sure will bug him for the rest of his life, it will only make him stronger and that he'll grow to be a more confident and stronger and mature field agent. Sean sure rocks the whole episode. My favourite scene in this is Tony and Tim in his apartment. Love the way Tony being just Tony and the way he encouraged McGee and being supportive all through the investigation. And it's great to hear from Tony what he really thought of McGee as a field agent. And though I don't like Ziva slapping our Tony, Tony did tell her never to do that again, so, I'm not too bothered with it And for once, I don't really think Ziva annoyed me much on McGee's case. Because I think it's realistic. Ziva's new to the team, and of course, it's understandable that she has a reasonable doubt about McGee's ability as a field agent. And I appreciate that even she has her own doubt, she did her best to help solved the case and encourage McGee when he so needed it. And about the JG/JS flashback - this is getting really ridiculous, what really bug me is Gibbs is the one who's having all these flashbacks lately. It's just totally not very Gibbs-like and even Jenny has to ask him to get his mind out of the gutter. I hope they stopped making flashbacks anymore unless it's work related. Cuz it really is starting to look stupid. But I do love Jenny stood up to Gibbs finally. I appreciate it that she sent McGee out in the middle of the *interview* with the metro cops, where he so didn't need to hear those craps after what he has gone through the night before. I think from what was revealed in this episode, Jenn's sort of been there, done that, and that's why she totally understood what McGee was going through. Now *that* would be something interesting to see instead of those kissy kissy flashback. I'd love to see what happened when Gibbs was younger as a field agent, while he covered up his fellow agent's ass, what did that affect their work relation and what affected him on the job. And I agreed with Jenny also that Gibbs shouldn't overrule her in front of those two metro cops. NCIS people stick together when the outsiders wanna get one of their own. Otherwise things would turn ugly and people use your weakness against you. And McGee didn't need that also. Is that why Gibbs and Fornell were doing all their conversations in their 'conference room', to avoid spy eyes? I think I can understand why Gibbs was acting so fierce, (like he said, someone might have broken a mirror?) ;)It's totally unnerving to see that he lashed out at McGee at the end, but I see that one as his encouragement, Gibbs-kind. Because, I think for a moment there, right after the adrenaline rush, that Gibbs realized that if he wasn't fast enough, McGee would be shot and could be very dead in front of his eyes. And Gibbs so didn't need it himself to see another of his agents fall right in front of him. So I guess, besides McGee, Gibbs sure will need a lot of TLC after this case as well. And tell me, my dear Gibblets, is that why we have to wait a whole two weeks just so 'all' of you can tend to him with your TLC before we can see a new episode? Because he's so exhausted after that he can't lead a case this week? ;D
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Post by Rain on Dec 6, 2005 11:37:22 GMT -5
Fatcat wrote: "And tell me, my dear Gibblets, is that why we have to wait a whole two weeks just so 'all' of you can tend to him with your TLC before we can see a new episode? Because he's so exhausted after that he can't lead a case this week? "
Um. Yes. And if that's the case, can they take 4 weeks off? ;D
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Post by alethea on Dec 6, 2005 12:48:47 GMT -5
Fatcat wrote: "And tell me, my dear Gibblets, is that why we have to wait a whole two weeks just so 'all' of you can tend to him with your TLC before we can see a new episode? Because he's so exhausted after that he can't lead a case this week? " Um. Yes. And if that's the case, can they take 4 weeks off? ;D Uh, Rain, four weeks might be a little much...people might wonder if Gibbs comes back to work on a stretcher hooked up to an IV. ;D ;D
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Post by alethea on Dec 6, 2005 12:52:12 GMT -5
Good point about Gibbs at the end, FatCat.! I hadn't thought about what it looked like from Gibbs' point of view...which helps explain his nose-to-nose confrontation with McGee. I had initially chalked it up to Gibbs wanting to make his point very clear about not second-guessing yourself...hadn't considered that he might be having a flashback to Kate being shot.
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Post by Rain on Dec 6, 2005 13:06:05 GMT -5
Good point about Gibbs at the end, FatCat.! I hadn't thought about what it looked like from Gibbs' point of view...which helps explain his nose-to-nose confrontation with McGee. I had initially chalked it up to Gibbs wanting to make his point very clear about not second-guessing yourself...hadn't considered that he might be having a flashback to Kate being shot. Actually, thats a good point. I wish they'd made that clear though, because that would make it make sense. Jusst a flash of Kate's face or something. A flashback of anything that didnt involve Jennifer, necking, and/or mimes would be welcomed by me.
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Post by dmc4me on Dec 6, 2005 14:13:58 GMT -5
I would agree if Madame Director was sticking up for her people! Sending McGee to an interrogation without a lawyer or teammate was the final straw to me. She said she wanted Ziva on Gibbs' team so Ziva could learn from the best. If she truly thinks Gibbs is the best, why doesn't she ever act like it???
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Post by tweeter on Dec 6, 2005 15:25:38 GMT -5
I agree 100%. I wonder if I answered your post on the Yahoo groups, but I think the role is miscast. If they were going to cast a former love as Gibbs' new superior they should have cast an older woman, someone who projected more of an air of confidence and authority. Personally, I'd rather they didn't go the "former love" route, it's too soap-opera for me.
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Post by Rain on Dec 6, 2005 18:10:30 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather they didn't go the "former love" route, it's too soap-opera for me. Im with you there. Its very mid-80s action series. I think there was a "former flame" on every single episode of Airwolf
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Post by ML Fan on Dec 15, 2005 19:45:52 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode in part because of the interaction between Ziva and Tony and I also thought that writers did a good job of keeping McGee in character from what saw of how he deals with difficult or sad situations. I also liked how Gibbs stood by McGee's side thoughout the episode and didn't question his judgement about firing his gun. As others have mentioned previously, I wish that the writers would stop mentioning the fact that Jenny and Gibbs were once romantically involved with each other, which has gotten old quickly and I just don't feel that Gibbs trusts Jenny's judgement at this point, despite the fact that she's the director but, I think that it's not without reason.
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Post by AngelZ on Feb 20, 2006 8:22:02 GMT -5
Encore screening of Probie February 21 @ 8pm
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2006 15:56:28 GMT -5
I just rewatched this one last night. First of all, I really loved it when Gibbs 'apologized' to McGee for letting him down, that was so beautiful. I had to watch it three times. I also get a kick out of how quick he says it. Reminds me of me when I'm having to tell my mom or aunt about an OCD thought that's bothering me, I tend to rip it off really quickly too. Usually they end up having to ask me to repeat myself.
And, I thought you guys might find this interesting. They never actually answered the question as to whose bullet was the fatal shot - McGee's or the crooked cop's. Well, according to Ducky's autopsy, we can kind of get an answer. Ducky said of the two chest shots that a non-fatal one crushed the fourth rib and did some other damage and that the kill shot took out what was left of the rib. Assuming they can really tell what order the bullets came in and that there's no way the kill shot could have done it's damage to the rib first, that would mean it was the second shot to the chest that was fatal. Which, according to what we saw, means it was McGee's shot. Sorry.
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Post by Teegs on Jul 9, 2006 1:34:11 GMT -5
WooHoo! Zack from Dark Angel! just what i was gonna say!!! kinda weird them puttin all thid DA stuff in like the Jessica Alba comment and the lad that played Zack i dunno i am weird ok
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Post by probette on Feb 20, 2007 5:16:20 GMT -5
I think I drove my entire family insane last night by "aww"-ing like a mad thing the whole way through this episode! Poor Tim!!!!! Trying to cuddle a 32-inch TV screen is not the easiest of tasks, let me tell you!
I totally agree with FatCat - if I have to see that piggin' flashback once more so help me the remote control is going through the screen!!!!! Okay, Jen and Gibbs had a bit of a ding-dong, get over it!! It was years ago! I really didn't feel that Jen had a whole lot of empathy with McGee as she took a more "guilty til proven innocent" approach to the case, unlike Gibbs, who didn't doubt McGee for a second, even when McGee started to doubt himself.
I thought Tony was lovely when he went over to Tim's flat to cheer him up. Poor Tim - I was extremely intrigued to note that he owned a real typewriter (as a typist I have often wondered about the practicalities of using a typewriter and how good I would actually be at using one, given that there is no delete button!) mind you. But anyway, task at hand.
I was a touch puzzled at Abby's aromatherapy stuff with McGee - it seemed a bit out of character - surely Goths aren't into that sort of hippy shenanigans and a forensic scientist would, I would have thought, be completely skeptical of any holistic treatments for stress. Still, what do I know! Quite intrigued as to why exactly she always carries a pair of handcuffs - and I think Tim did look a little terrified!
The most encouraging bit, I thought, was when Gibbs told McGee that he'd let him down and said that in his position he would have done exactly the same thing. It obviously was the boost McGee needed at the time.
Thought the ending was extremely poignant - we'll never know for sure whether or not McGee did kill the cop; and it's sad that it's something McGee has to live with - like he said, he's not like Tony or Ziva, he came from an exclusively civillian background, he's worked with computers all his life, he didn't understand how to cope with taking another person's life. Still as the series goes on and hopefully also into series 4 - if ever we get to see it - we'll get to see that McGee's learned from it and it's made him a stronger field agent.
THE END!!!!!!!!
Shutting up now. My clone needs a coff o' cuppee, and so do I...!
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Post by Miss_N.C.I.S on Feb 20, 2007 12:11:49 GMT -5
Totally agreed! Jen was trying to be the Director and "yeah it's a serious case but I can't relate" kinda stuff, but yeah she was a bit too Mcgee killed the cop and that's that. I mean give the guy at break! He got scared and it was an accident. Honestly I don't think I could live with the fact I killed an innocent guy, (but since I want to be in the Police I think I'm gonna have to face life sooner or later) but Tony was really nice and he was his funny self but caring and I find that sooo cute!!! lol This was another epi in which Gibbs' was nice and he was so kind, but if you noticed he didn't say Sorry (Sign of weakness!)
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