I've been thinking about this dream sequence thing. And I had the idea that in season three Tony or Gibbs or someone is sitting at their desk and they start falling asleep and seeing things. And they see Kate walk in and sit down, and then they start talking to her but of course to everyone else in the room he/she is talking to thin air.
Just something I thought could happen in the first few episodes, I wasn't going to post it...but its been bugging me and bouncing off the walls in my brain. -Kelzi
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I know what you mean with the characterisation. I had problems with Bete Noir-Reveille. Kate didn't stab Ari in Bete Noir and in Reveille she told Gibbs that "his eyes were kind". I was disappointed for that explanation. Ari shot Gerald in the shoulder, she had a long training as protecting the president and guarding people and then she feels sorry for the guy who shot a collegue? I didn't like the way they went there. I just didn't seem like "a kate-thing to do" "the Don" ;)had to finish the end of JAG and the finale of NCIS at the same time, so maybe he didn't have enough time to 'develop' the lines proparly. According to me, everything had to happen really fast. Maybe things would have been different when he had more time. We'll never know, he'll have to work now with what he has.
had to finish the end of JAG and the finale of NCIS at the same time,
Hmm, yesterday we checked the Paramount page and it says it wasn't DPB who wrote Twilight (don't remember the name there) but he did write SWAK.
The finale of JAG was way before (a month?) the finale of NCIS. I think he -whoever wrote the episode- had enough to time to check if thngs were corretc, and even so, how come we, who are only 'normal' people know all this stuff and he, who has years of tv writing doesn't know?
Again, was he -whoever wrote the episode- so keen on killing Kate off that forgot about everything else?
I meant that Kate would've survived the shooting if Sasha had chosen to stay and it sounded like the script for the finale was rewritten when Sasha said that she wanted to leave NCIS. I think that the death of a regular character no matter who it turned out to be was bound to leave some people upset and I don't think that there was a way around that, unfortunately.
I have to disagree. He could have written it different. He had too many possibilities, too many different endings, but he chose the one that would shock people more. But yeah, not matter who was killed off, somoene would always be upset, unfortunately
Dunno about the re-writing the finale, since DPB said he had this idea when he was getting ready to write it. Oh, I wish we could know what'd have been if no one was killed off. Would it be too different?
I don't think that anyone would've been killed if Sasha didn't ask to leave. I think that the character's death in this case Kate's would've been much more shocking if we had absolutely no idea that it was coming, but, we knew beforehand that one of the series regulars was going to die, so, I think that how the person died almost had to be shocking by default and it was and I think that was the intent.
Post by Blookynose on Jun 26, 2005 16:44:49 GMT -5
dunno if this is the right place to continue the media stuff 3, but since SA is Kate...
I also agree that SA gets a lot of attention everywhere and people still want answers. And I do want Kate back, but who am I to judge what she thinks/feels? She hasn't said anything yet, and who knows, maybe she feels sorry now that she left the show and she sees how much her character/acting was loved all over the world. Fact is, she will have to bear the consequences of her decision no matter what (unless she is coming back next season ). This talk about her being tired will affect her career, but she's a good actress so I guess she will pull through somehow. And before ncis, she never had a leading role and she always wanted to play a cop so she took the role. Imo, she didn't know how hard it would be. She must have a hard time right now with all the (un)wanted attention she gets and not responding/being able to respond it.
Post by AgentPossible on Jun 26, 2005 20:19:53 GMT -5
what i am going to have trouble with is who they are going to replace her with. as far as im concerned it as long as its not paula cassidy im happy she is annoying bt i ahpue they dont replace kate for a wwhile cause i dont think they can fill that hoel she has left in the show. if i was her i wouldve stayed cause its a great show but i still cant understand why she would have wanted to leave. but kates death came as a shock t me cause i happen to love everything bout this show and now what happens to it? they lose a great character and now there is a possiblity that it might become morbid and serious. although it will be interesting if ducky does her autopsy cause then we will see her naked on the table and that is something i dont want to see but then dinozzo will see her as well and find out where that tatoo was....still upset that she had to go cause she was a great compliment to the show and im only hoping they mourn her loss and take a while to replace her although they got over paccis death pretty quickyl i hope they give the fans chance to mourn and show her funeral and eulogy cause it woud ba a nice way to close the chapter on kate. ps i want to put that bullet in Ari. although if u rememebr in bete noire kate an dhim got pretty close and after wards she mentioned to dinozzo he was wearing a vest he syas something bout love and she stays silent....maybe there were heart strings invloved and that is why ari killed her she was a liability.
hope they give the fans chance to mourn and show her funeral and eulogy cause it woud ba a nice way to close the chapter on kate
I think it would be quite horrific showing her funeral if Kate is really dead, or even Ducky examining her on in autposy. There is so much saddness in the world that I don't know if i could stand to watch it. I know that if life could be controlled by a remote control most people would choose to fast forward events such as funerals. It is important to realise that NCIS is fictional television show that was created for entertainment and quite frankly i don't find any the thought of Gibbs, DiNozzo, Abby or Ducky morning Kate all that entertaining. The only way in which I could stand to watch Tony suffering is that if it were a dream which at the moment seems like in my opinion the only rational and logical step DPB can make in salvaging NCIS. I think you make a valid point that the death of Kate would leave a gaping hole in the show. There are a plethora of theories about Sasha's departure from NCIS, most of which is contradictory.
Post by AgentPossible on Jun 26, 2005 21:02:17 GMT -5
yeah a funeral would be hard to attend but i do think they should mention it alot the first epi in season 3 and i do think we will see kate on the autopsy table after all everyone ends there. i would like to know how long they plan to draw this ari thing out but meh. what can u do? i also think this will affect kates career cause they will see her as someone who cant do alot of hard work and it might be the end of her career but if she does come back there better had ba a good reason for shocking us all for that.
there better had ba a good reason for shocking us all for that
It is called Sweeps week and ratings. NCIS is attempting to buy into a the 18 - 49 demographic and i think DPB believes that shock value is the way to do this. Personally I think the Ari situation cannot really be dragged out too much longer. I will admit It was okay in season one, seeing Gibbs determination, but devoting more time to chasing Ari, is simply tiresome for television. Yes i realise in reality criminals are captured in a manner of days but this is television.
Post by harmoneyes on Jun 26, 2005 21:30:22 GMT -5
I'm finding the whole Ari thing hard to swallow...to say that Ari killed Kate to get to Gibbs just doesn't work for me. It's overkill. I don't think the Gibbs we have been shown in the past 2 seasons could hate Ari any more for killing Kate than just threatening to kill her. He would take the hunt as seriously based on a threat as on a murder. And Ari's an international terrorist-having a grudge match with one man seems an odd thing for him to do. Not to mention the fact that he already had Gibbs full attention without killing anyone. It just doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the Ari plot. I liked Ari out there as a thorn in Gibbs side-professionally-because Gibbs didn't discriminate between the professional and personal. But to force this plot like this doesn't feel right to me. I don't want the show to turn into Gibbs avenging Kate, even if it doesn't take the whole season. I'd prefer more variety. But I don't want to have to believe in a Gibbs that just moves past Kate's death either...that would "kill" Gibbs' character for me as surely as that bullet through Kate's head killed her. Yuck. I would love to find out this was all a dream or a mistake, so I could go back to wanting to watch NCIS.
I haven't really been in this thread and I've only skimmed most of the posts, but, wow.
My heart broke when Kate died. I cried for two days. Then I started thinking about it, hearing the reports and putting together the pieces of information that I had. Honestly, I didn't care for Twilight as an episode; that's true whether Kate had lived or died. But if Sasha were leaving the show and DPB and she had agreed to kill her off in this surprise manner, then whether or not the episode had been brilliant, it would still have been a tremendous shock.
The two things that bothered me the most about the manner in which the show handled it were 1) the graphic nature of the death. Okay I understand that they're making a point. She's dead, she's not getting up and walking away from that injury. But OMG, I flinched! And I'm the kind of person who eats dinner while watching CSI for crying out loud! That was just too hard to take for someone who's become like family to me.
And 2) The manner in which they "handled" the death before the airing. I'm not talking about TV ads, I'm talking about interviews that were done in which it was implied that this was NOT done because an actor wanted out but because it was a whim of the producer and it could just be anyone, oh well! It would have been easier for me to take if the interviews had stated that yes, we all do know who it is and the performer in question is fine with the decision, rather than wondering who the hell got axed and why. That just added to the stress of watching the ep. Learning after the fact that Sasha wanted out made her death much easier to handle for me, despite the horrific nature of it.
As far as a replacement. As long as she can act, doesn't look like Kate, and isn't written like a Kate re-tread, I'm willing to give her a chance. Real life, people come and go from workplaces all the time, though not often by violent death. I hope the writers take advantage of the emotions that could be mined for some truly wonderful scenes. But I won't stop watching, just because of one less than stellar episode or because one cast member left. There will always be, in any episodic series, shining gems, stones of promise and the rocks you cast aside. This rock is not enough to make me abandon the mine just yet.