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Post by Lelu on Apr 17, 2011 23:22:47 GMT -5
Gibbs may act difficult, but to me he doesn't come across as a spoiled little brat like EJ does. It's not because EJ is a woman, it's because she is an annoying twit and that would have shone through even if the character had been a man. LOL You aren't going to like anyone that challenges the sainted Gibbs, I happen to like strong women. Gibbs acts like an a** and complete jerk he gets a pass, a woman being a strong and willing to be a biatch at times is an annoying twit PoTato PotAto. kettle black. name your cliche' |
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Post by stingrayfan on Apr 18, 2011 6:34:59 GMT -5
Gibbs may act difficult, but to me he doesn't come across as a spoiled little brat like EJ does. It's not because EJ is a woman, it's because she is an annoying twit and that would have shone through even if the character had been a man. LOL You aren't going to like anyone that challenges the sainted Gibbs, I happen to like strong women. Gibbs acts like an a** and complete jerk he gets a pass, a woman being a strong and willing to be a biatch at times is an annoying twit PoTato PotAto. kettle black. name your cliche' HEHEHE yeah but boy even like that he still can come home with me anytime lol I'll tame him. But then again my mother says I have a "White Knight Complex" I love the a****le protective type. ROFL I just wish they would try to put some thought into the character writing these days!!! |
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Post by jo on Apr 18, 2011 8:50:58 GMT -5
LOL You aren't going to like anyone that challenges the sainted Gibbs, I happen to like strong women. Gibbs acts like an a** and complete jerk he gets a pass, a woman being a strong and willing to be a biatch at times is an annoying twit PoTato PotAto. kettle black. name your cliche' ;D You have a valid point - some people defend Gibbs no matter what he does. I just don't see EJ as a "strong woman." I think she's SUPPOSED to be. I just think the writer's have done an extremely bad job of portraying her as such. Even with Tony she acts more like a teenager with her boyfriend than an equal. EJ is suffering from what I call the "Kate Syndrome." The writers have fallen down on the job of getting across to us [the viewers] who she is really supposed to be. They did it all the time with Kate. |
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Post by Lelu on Apr 18, 2011 12:55:15 GMT -5
LOL You aren't going to like anyone that challenges the sainted Gibbs, I happen to like strong women. Gibbs acts like an a** and complete jerk he gets a pass, a woman being a strong and willing to be a biatch at times is an annoying twit PoTato PotAto. kettle black. name your cliche' ;D You have a valid point - some people defend Gibbs no matter what he does. I just don't see EJ as a "strong woman." I think she's SUPPOSED to be. I just think the writer's have done an extremely bad job of portraying her as such. Even with Tony she acts more like a teenager with her boyfriend than an equal. EJ is suffering from what I call the "Kate Syndrome." The writers have fallen down on the job of getting across to us [the viewers] who she is really supposed to be. They did it all the time with Kate. That is so true, but I've railed against the writers of this show from the beginning on their lack of skills in writing female characters. |
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Post by kibbles on Apr 18, 2011 16:36:15 GMT -5
Gibbs may act difficult, but to me he doesn't come across as a spoiled little brat like EJ does. It's not because EJ is a woman, it's because she is an annoying twit and that would have shone through even if the character had been a man. LOL You aren't going to like anyone that challenges the sainted Gibbs, I happen to like strong women. Gibbs acts like an a** and complete jerk he gets a pass, a woman being a strong and willing to be a biatch at times is an annoying twit PoTato PotAto. kettle black. name your cliche' LMAO!!! When did I ever say that I don't like anyone that challenges Gibbs? I've liked plenty of characters that have gone against Gibbs (both men and women). Sorry, if I refuse to like a character that is solely portrayed as a sniveling twit! If this is a strong woman, I wouldn't want to see what a weak woman character would be like. JMO. |
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Post by Lelu on Apr 18, 2011 19:06:00 GMT -5
LOL You aren't going to like anyone that challenges the sainted Gibbs, I happen to like strong women. Gibbs acts like an a** and complete jerk he gets a pass, a woman being a strong and willing to be a biatch at times is an annoying twit PoTato PotAto. kettle black. name your cliche' LMAO!!! When did I ever say that I don't like anyone that challenges Gibbs? I've liked plenty of characters that have gone against Gibbs (both men and women). Sorry, if I refuse to like a character that is solely portrayed as a sniveling twit! If this is a strong woman, I wouldn't want to see what a weak woman character would be like. JMO. Almost every female character on the show is weak, but we don't agree so leave it at that, |
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Post by kibbles on Apr 18, 2011 20:17:46 GMT -5
No problem, I'll respect that.  Sometimes it is better to agree to disagree  |
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Post by kathleen06460 on Apr 19, 2011 3:32:31 GMT -5
I have a habit of imagining myself as a character who is challenging or even threatening Gibbs (ie he lays a hand on me yada yada) or whatever and some times i imagine myself arguing with him and it sound great but when it is on screen it didn't seem to work as wel.
I didn't Like Mann because she was obnoxious and controlling and brought her "relationship" into the office. EJ was out of line and very obnoxious these last few episodes. It means SJM is doing her job.
I am not going to apologize for liking Gibbs. Do I think he was being a jerk or out of bounds in the last episodes? Yes. Does it mean I am blind no. THere are other aspects of him I do like and there is nothing wrong with that but I resent terrible the pot shots from others that are towards the characters or to posters who like the characters and their reasons
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Post by Lelu on Apr 19, 2011 9:22:12 GMT -5
I have a habit of imagining myself as a character who is challenging or even threatening Gibbs (ie he lays a hand on me yada yada) or whatever and some times i imagine myself arguing with him and it sound great but when it is on screen it didn't seem to work as wel. I didn't Like Mann because she was obnoxious and controlling and brought her "relationship" into the office. EJ was out of line and very obnoxious these last few episodes. It means SJM is doing her job. I am not going to apologize for liking Gibbs. Do I think he was being a jerk or out of bounds in the last episodes? Yes. Does it mean I am blind no. THere are other aspects of him I do like and there is nothing wrong with that but I resent terrible the pot shots from others that are towards the characters or to posters who like the characters and their reasons Love Gibbs that's great, but those of us who don't are also entitled to our opinion. |
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Post by Lelu on Apr 19, 2011 17:16:58 GMT -5
Love Gibbs that's great, but those of us who don't Love Gibbs and aren't willing to give him a free pass as also entitled to our opinion. I love Gibbs. That's why I was more than disappointed in him regarding his actions during this episode - plus his actions toward EJ from the very beginning. I blame most of the antagonism during the episode on Vance, who should have let Gibbs know what was going on the minute he knew that Balfour was probably one of the P2P victims. I'm not excusing Gibbs' or EJ's behavior in the interrogation room at all. They were both unprofessional and what made it worse was that they were acting that way in front of a very viable suspect. EJ did not behave in the most professional manner I agree. As a caveat though if another Tram Leader came in and tried to intimidate the lead interrogator in an important case in front of the witness in a very demeaning way I would have totally blown a gasket; I think in the circumstances EJ smells like a rose and Gibbs smells like fertilizer. (please forgive the massive run on sentence) Because for all his years at NCIS Gibbs is just a Team Leader other than years of being a bully he has no rank on EJ. It's always been my opinion that a good team leader leads by earned respect not fear |
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Post by drakeissix on Apr 20, 2011 0:28:33 GMT -5
liked the episode A- ,honest it would have gotten a b+ in my books even if they showed the open credits and ran two 30 min shorts of the Three stooges due to lack of another ridiculous Vance temper tantrum  . Honest at the end of "Two faced" I was wait for Vance to quote chuck sheen with Gibbs and EJ in his office "Sizzle , Losing , Bye!" LOL As far as EJ and Gibbs I squarely lay the blame for both their surely and ridiculously confrontational behavior at Vance's door step. He's pitted EJ and Gibbs against each other and neither is ones superior in rank or in "Two Face" did he assign one as the investigation leader and Vance introduces EJ in a way that even freaks out Abby (who generally likes to like everybody). Vance is having some kind of a psychical/mental (maybe both) break down and things are being to suffer. Tony and EJ ? I think its a sex type thing for tony , I think he's in lust and likes his chic's skinny and to have a women in his life he can engage pillow shop talk and not violate national security,.... sure he'll get emotionally hurt again but that seems par for the course on all emotional relationships on this show . Will see how the rest of the season pans out it should be good and lets hope it lives up to the hype. ;D |
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Post by kathleen06460 on Apr 20, 2011 5:57:22 GMT -5
I have a habit of imagining myself as a character who is challenging or even threatening Gibbs (ie he lays a hand on me yada yada) or whatever and some times i imagine myself arguing with him and it sound great but when it is on screen it didn't seem to work as wel. I didn't Like Mann because she was obnoxious and controlling and brought her "relationship" into the office. EJ was out of line and very obnoxious these last few episodes. It means SJM is doing her job. I am not going to apologize for liking Gibbs. Do I think he was being a jerk or out of bounds in the last episodes? Yes. Does it mean I am blind no. THere are other aspects of him I do like and there is nothing wrong with that but I resent terrible the pot shots from others that are towards the characters or to posters who like the characters and their reasons Love Gibbs that's great, but those of us who don't Love Gibbs and aren't willing to give him a free pass as also entitled to our opinion. Wow you are one angry person. Well guess what..I stopped coming here for a long time becasue it was just plain down right rude and obnoxious and negative...you just lost me as visitor and member...please remove my information... |
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Post by Lelu on Apr 20, 2011 8:56:04 GMT -5
Love Gibbs that's great, but those of us who don't Love Gibbs and aren't willing to give him a free pass as also entitled to our opinion. Wow you are one angry person. Well guess what..I stopped coming here for a long time becasue it was just plain down right rude and obnoxious and negative...you just lost me as visitor and member...please remove my information... Bye Bye In all your travels I hope you never run into an actual angry person. BTW how do you deduce anger in one sentence? Just curious. |
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Post by jo on Apr 20, 2011 9:46:31 GMT -5
Okay. Everyone back in your corners. ;D
The point of a fanboard is that we all like the show or someone on the show or something about the show. That's why we're here.
However, that doesn't mean we're all going to have the same opinion about everything and/or everyone on the show. I live with my sister - and we don't always agree about everything. How can we expect to agree on everything when we're such a big "family" from all over the world?
The point of a discussion thread is to ... discuss. We're not here to change minds -- just to share our thoughts and opinions. Key word here: OPINIONS.
Lelu and I don't agree 100% about Gibbs. The way they've written him has totally turned her off - and I believe she has made many valid points -- but that doesn't change the fact that I still like him. A lot. *lol* Lelu does not think I'm stupid for liking him - she does not argue with me about it. Neither do I argue with her, trying to make her change her mind.
There's nothing wrong with stating that you disagree with someone else's opinion. That's part of the discussion process, in my opinion. But continuing to argue that YOU are right and someone else is wrong because they don't share your opinion ... that's just a pain in the patootie.
We need to share our thoughts -- and not attack someone when their "thoughts" are different from ours. Okay?
Do I sound like Pollyanna?
Now, I think it's time to get back to discussing the episode.
And I STILL love the face/mask idea...
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Post by jo on Apr 20, 2011 10:53:31 GMT -5
You mean those lifelike masks? I think the idea is cool, but here's my problem with them. I can see making them so thin and responsive to muscle movement that the mask adheres so closely it looks like second skin, but the whole facial structure thing gets in my way. Unless the person wearing the mask had the same sort of face shape; his skin was as toned (getting older, face seems a little loose to me); etc., etc., it can't possibly look exactly like the person being impersonated. That's a good point. I just watched an old Sherlock Holmes movie [ Sherlock Holmes and The Baker Street Irregulars] - and a mask was a big part of the plot. However, when you finally figured that out - and saw the person putting on the mask - they used putty to fill out facial features, etc. Unless a mask is made for a specific person - and the filler is added when the mask is made ... You're such a good writer though - and that's one of the main reasons why. You care enough about your readers to get it right for them. Yep. The scene in interrogation really bugs me, too. That was sooo unprofessional of both of them. After the first time he broke in on her, she should have asked to speak to him outside. If he refused - Gibbs? You know he would refuse! - she should've walked out and called Vance. Running to Daddy? Maybe. But Vance specifically said she was lead agent on this -- and regardless of how big she talks, EJ cannot face down Gibbs alone. As I said in an earlier post - I think she was supposed to come across as a strong woman, but I feel the writer's have not portrayed her as such. |
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. Honest at the end of "Two faced" I was wait for Vance to quote chuck sheen with Gibbs and EJ in his office "Sizzle , Losing , Bye!" LOL